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THE TEN COMMANDMENTS TO BEING A SUCCESSFUL WITNESS
Allie Phillips
Senior Attorney
APRI's National Child Protection Training Center
703.518.4385
allie.phillips@ndaa-apri.org
LAY vs. EXPERT WITNESS
- Lay witness: Testifies as to what the witness saw, heard, felt, smelled,
etc. from personal knowledge or facts.
- Expert witness: Renders an opinion or gives the jury information that
helps them evaluate the evidence.
WHO CAN BE AN EXPERT?
- Police officers
- Forensic Interviewers
- Social workers
- Rape crisis/sexual assault counselor
- Psychologists/psychiatrists
- Teachers
- Victim/witness coordinators
- Physicians/nurses
- Probation officers
Expert Witness Topics
- Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome
- Disclosure Process
- Blocks to Disclosure
- Forensic Interview Protocol
- Anatomical Dolls
- Child Development
- Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
-(725 ILCS 5/115-7.2)
HOW DOES AN EXPERT STATE AN OPINION?
- The evidence is consistent with. ..
- Do not say the child has been molested
- Do not say the child has been abused based on factors
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The 10 Commandments of Testifying
lst Commandment: PRE-TRIAL PREPARATION
Maintain a curriculum vitae (professional resume)
- EDUCATION, DEGREES
- EMPLOYMENT
- NUMBER OF CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATIONS
- SPECILAIZED CHILD ABUSE TRAINING*
- CONTINUING EDUCATION*
- AWARDS
- BOARD CERTIFICATIONS/ LICENSES
- PRIOR COURT APPEARANCES
- ADVISORY BOARDS
- EDITORIAL BOARDS
- PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
- PRESENTATIONS
- PUBLICATIONS
- Know your own area of expertise
- Know the adverse material
- Know the vulnerable areas
- Know your case
- Be proactive
- Read your report
- Discuss expectations
- Review potential areas of attack
- Prepare for areas of impeachment
- Discuss theme
- Define defense goals
- Review evidence
- Practice questions
2nd Commandment: MEET WITH THE PROSECUTOR
- Be proactive
- Read your report
- Discuss expectations
- Review potential areas of attack
- Prepare for areas of impeachment
- Discuss theme
- Define defense goals
- Review evidence
- Practice questions
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3rd Commandment: The P's
- PROFESSIONAL
- PROMPT
- POLITE
- PREPARED
4th Commandment: KEEP IT SIMPLE
5th Commandment: BE A VISUAL WITNESS
6th Commandment: DON'T ARGUE WITH THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY
DEFENSE GOALS FOR CROSS EXAM
- Secure admissions
- Undermine prosecution expert's opinion
- Create hostility to undermine credibility
- Introduce evidence which contradicts the prosecutions' theory of the case*
- Introduce a history of error in order to reduce the weight and credibility and weight the jury gives to their testimony*
- Use your Child Abuse protocols to show how they were violated, not read or that witness was not aware of them. *
- May want to use you to attack the non-offending parent.*
- Try to put a negative "spin" on your involvement with advocacy groups or going to workshops etc.*
- Show that you used leading questions, multiple interviews, repeated questions etc to influence the child. *
- Show advocates prejudice, bias, and lack of professionalism. *
*Douglas Peters, J.D. Cross Examination of the Child Advocate and George Castelle, J.D. Litigating the Difficult Child Abuse Case on a Low Budget or No Budget at All. Presented at the ninth international conference of the National Child Abuse Defense and Resource Center, September 14-16,2000.
MAXIMIZE CREDIBILITY DURING CROSS EXAMINATION
- Maintain control.
- Listen to the question.
- Don't make STUPID mistakes!!
- Correct all STUPID mistakes.
- Don't ramble.
- Don't play games.
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WHEN ASKED ABOUT AN ARTICLE/STUDY:
- Does the article exist?
- Are you familiar with the article?
- Is the article relevant to an issue in this case?
- Who authored the article?
- When was the article published?
- Is the information current?
- Where has the article been published?
- Has the article been peer-reviewed.
- Has the article been accepted in the field?
7th Commandment: LISTEN TO AND JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION
HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS:
- Be on guard
- Take notes
- Listen carefully to the elements included in the fact scenario
- Ask for the question to be READ back
- Note and state inconsistencies
- Take your time
- Discuss with the prosecutor before trial Don't be a puppet!
8th Commandment: DON'T BE A PUPPET!
TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR ANSWERS:
I need to explain, but the answer would be...
I'm sorry, that question can not be answered yes or no.
The issue is not that simple. A yes or no answer would be misleading as the issue is more complicated and needs to be explained.
9th Commandment: DON'T BECOME A TARGET
10th Commandment: DEBRIEF WITH THE PROSECUTOR
Always Remember.....
- it is not your case
- it is the child's case
- Do not drop the ball
SPARE TIME READING
- John E.B. Myers, Evidence in Child Abuse and Neglect Cases, 3d ed. Chapter 5 (1997).
- Paul DerOhannesian, Sexual Assault Trials, 2d ed. (1998).
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The Day of Reckoning: Surviving Your day in court
Victor Vieth
Director
APRI's National Center for Prosecution of Child Abuse
Reduce the Chance of testifying/successfully cross-examined
- Accurate, detailed and legible documentation
- Be well trained on interviewing
- Have an interviewing protocol
- Obtain corroborating evidence and always interview suspect
- When interviewing child abuse victims, be aware of the rules of evidence.
Statements for medical diagnosis
Medical diagnosis considerations
Function as part of MDT
- Investigators/prosecutors not strangers
- On the same page
- Develop a jurisdiction wide protocol
- Be proactive in educating the prosecutors and investigators (share literature)
- Educate the community
When you get subpoenaed
- Know what type of court you will be in (child protection, custody, criminal)
- Know your case file (the escalating allegation)
- Know what type of witness you are (lay, expert or both)
LAY vs. EXPERT WITNESS
- Lay witness: testifies as to what the witness saw, heard, felt, smelled, etc.
- Expert witness: renders an opinion or gives the jury information that helps them evaluate the evidence.
Daubert/Rule 702 test
FRE702 (CONT'D)
- if (1) the testimony is based upon sufficient facts or data, (2)
the testimony is the product .of reliable principles and methods, and
(3) the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to
the facts of the case. " 1/1/01
Who can be an expert?
What if I can't afford an expert?
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What if defense counsel/investigator calls?
- It's up to you
- May make you look more reasonable at trial, give you clues of the defense, convince D to plead
- If you do, follow it up with a letter (ask for clarification of any errors)
- Should you call defense counsel?
Know the defense expert
- Don't be afraid to call and follow up with letter
- Shows you're not a hired gun (the teeth case)
- If defense expert does speak to you, follow up with letter and cc prosecutor
- Call NCPCA for information
Getting ready for the big day
- Educate the judge via pre-trial motions for developmentally appropriate questions and oaths
- Count your questions and place them into the categories you learn at FW: open-ended, direct, focused, multiple choice, misleading, etc
- Meet with prosecutor
Discuss direct testimony
- Occupation/education/ceu's
- Interview protocol (why have one, how developed)
- RATAC (explain each step)
- Continuum of questioning
- Experience (how many interviews, investigations, etc)
- Protocol, etc helpful in interviewing children competently?
Cross: Be Alert For The Traps
- Discuss likely areas for cross with prosecutor
- What role do you play in case - are you the target or a potential ally?
- The best cross-examinations are subtle - the punch won't be telegraphed
- What's the defense theory and how can it be countered?
- Prepare your responses in advance
When testifying
- Know what your credentials are (keep track)
- Use language a lay person can understand
- Draw the sting/fall on your sword: the myth of the perfect interview
- Don't go out on limb (can children lie?)
They Call Them Sharks for A Reason
- IF THERE'S BLOOD TO BE FOUND - THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WILL SENSE IT (show video)
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Cross: The Defense Speaks
- Cross-examination is an opportunity for the lawyer to testify through the witness
- Jurors pay more attention on cross
- They want to get words for closing
- They're better at it than we are
Factors Which Influence Suggestibility in Interviews
- Interviewer's preconceived ideas, lack of objectivity
- Erroneous suggestions
- Intimidating environment (the place of the interview, interview clothing, etc)
- Repeated questions & multiple interviews
- The form of the question (open ended, focused, leading, suggestive, coercive)
Q: Children lie don't they?
Q: Children also lie about abuse right?
Q: And children are highly suggestible?
Q: Did you attempt to find out how suggestible this child was?
Q: Did you attempt to find out this child's reputation for honesty?
Q: Were you aware of this child's reputation for lying, delinquency, etc.?
Q: The child made a disclosure involving conduct of a sexual nature before you interviewed her?
Q: You were aware of the nature of that disclosure?
Q: You believed it to be a disclosure of sexual abuse?
Q: Your interview was conducted because you suspected the child had been abused?
Q: Do you consider yourself to be an expert in how to interview children?
Q: Do you have any particular professional qualifications for your job of interviewing children?
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Q; Are there any educational requirements for this job?
Q: Are there any certification procedures for interviewing children?
Q: Is there a proper "method" or "protocol" for interviewing children?
Q: Did you follow that method or protocol in this case?
Q: Did you deviate at all from that method or protocol in this case?
Q: So it's okay if you do your own thing because you can justify it later, right?
Q: You didn't tape record or videotape your interview with the child, did you?
Q: Aren't recordings the only way to know for sure if the child was influenced by your questions, gestures, etc?
Q: Are you aware that a number of child abuse authorities recommend videotaping?
Q: Are you aware the United States Supreme Court says that videotaping may be a factor in determining a child's reliability?
Q: Who made the decision not to videotape?
Q: What was it about this child's statement that caused you to record it?
Q: You don't videotape interviews with adult witnesses, do you?
Q: How many rehearsals were done before you recorded the final product?
Q: You don't know how this child was influenced by prior interviews do you?
Q: You didn't videotape the recantation, did you?
Q: you found no physical evidence to corroborate this child's allegations?
Q: there was no medical evidence of abuse was there?
Q: there were no witnesses to verify this child's claims were there?
Q: and as a trained investigator you looked hard to try and find some additional evidence but didn't right?
Q: You're trained to put all important information in your reports, right?
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Q: You didn't document several of these matters that we've just talked about in your reports did you?
Q: You selected the information you wanted to include in your report, yes?
Q: Why didn't you document these other facts you now claim occurred?
Q: If you could do it all over again...?
Q: You would agree this was not a complete investigation?
Q: This wasn't done according to standard procedures was it?
Q: Are you not the least bit concerned that you didn't follow up on...?
Q: You agree it's your responsibility to conduct a competent investigation?
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Sample Trial Questions Used to Qualify CornerHouse Interviewers
Fred Karasov, JD, Asst. Hennepin County Attorney
- Qualifications
- What is your occupation?
- How long have you been at CornerHouse?
- Do you have any other experience in child sexual abuse?
- What is your educational background?
- Have you received any additional training since obtaining your degree?
- What kind of training/supervision have you had at CornerHouse?
- Have you done any teaching, lecturing, or writing in the area of child abuse?
- Are you familiar with the literature and research in this area?
- CornerHouse
- Could you tell us about CornerHouse — what is its purpose and what do you do there? What kind of place is it? Describe the layout* etc.
- What is the purpose for conducting an interview (find out if abuse occurred)? Is it an objective inquiry (does CornerHouse have any stake in the outcome of the interview)?
- What is the major concern you would have when conducting an interview? (Make sure the interview is objective and non-leading so we get accurate information.)
- Could you please describe the protocol used at CornerHouse in terms of the parties who are present at the interview? (Police, CP, county attorney teaming a case.)
- Does that mean you work for the police department or county attorney's office? Please explain. What are their roles?
- How widely is CornerHouse used by the agencies in Hennepin County? (Almost all police departments-proven reliability.)
- How is CornerHouse funded? (Not usually asked.)
- Interview
- Statistics
- Can you tell us how many interviews CornerHouse has conducted?
- In how many of those cases has CornerHouse substantiated abuse?
- In how many of those cases has CornerHouse been unable to substantiate abuse? (CornerHouse is unbiased and does not automatically believe children.)
- When you conclude that abuse did not occur, does that necessarily mean you did not believe the child (may be due to lack of disclosure, blocking, lack of context, etc.)? Redirect question.
- Process
- What is the reason you meet with the police and CP before the interview? Why do you find out what the child said before going into the interview? Do you think having prior knowledge of what the child said affects you when you interview the child?
- What responsibilities do you have, if any, with respect to the child during the interview? (Mental health, prevention of retraumatization, etc.)
- What does the team do after the interview?
- What was done in this case? (Police were given some instructions regarding additional investigation. This shows that the victim was believed.) Are the police always told to conduct further investigation?
- Does the child know he or she is being videotaped? Why do you or don't you tell them? Does the child know other people are watching the interview?
- Protocol
- How do children come to CornerHouse in the first place? (They had to have disclosed to someone that they were sexually abused.)
- So there may be cases where the child was sexually abused, disclosed it to someone, but did not disclose it at CornerHouse?
- Can you describe the protocol for conducting an interview? (Five stages of the interview.) What is the purpose for these stages? The interview is done without anyone else in the interview.
- Are there differences in your interview protocol with respect to older or younger children?
- Do you notice differences in children's' cognitive or developmental abilities during your interviews? How do your interviews take these differences into consideration?
- What is the basis for employing that particular protocol (studies, research, other agencies, etc.)?
- Did you follow that procedure in this case?
- What are the different choices you make after the interview? (Abuse occurred, did not occur, inconclusive.)
- How do you make that determination?
- Can you describe the kinds of interviews you've had where you have been unable to substantiate abuse? (This contrasts with the present case.)
- What did you conclude after interviewing ________? (Objectionable if not expert)
- What is the basis for that determination? (Consistency, non-leading questions, dolls, corroboration, etc.)
- Can you tell us how long this interview lasted? Can you tell us about the
average attention span of a____-year-old and what you noticed during
this interview? (Establish reasons why this child appeared confused or inconsistent toward the end of the interview.)
- Do you use anatomical dolls in your interviews?
- Describe the dolls you use, if any.
- How do you decide whether or not to use dolls?
- What is the process that you use? Is the use of dolls accepted within your profession?
- (For cases involving interviews of different children) What was
______ doing while you were interviewing _________? Did
________ have the opportunity to talk with _________ after his/her
interview?
- After Showing the Videotape
- I'd like to ask you several questions about the interview we've just had the opportunity to see.
- What did the child say when _______?
- What did the child do when_? (Child left the room, moved outside view of camera, etc.)
- What was the child's emotional condition when s/he described the sexual abuse?
- Did you notice a difference in how the child acted when s/he described the abuse compared to when s/he was talking about his/her family?
- The child had several names for the genitals. In your professional opinion, is that unusual?
- Other than what we've seen on the videotape, did you or anyone else at
CornerHouse have any other conversation with the child that is not on the tape?
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