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November 18, 2011 permalink
A grandmother reports that her 17-year-old daughter has just had her premature baby seized by Cobourg (Northumberland) CAS from the hospital in Belleville. The baby is still hospitalized, the family is being kept away with the threat of arrest. The family needs help for court on Monday. There is an ongoing discussion in progress on Canada Court Watch. Enclosed are just the postings from grandmother Diane Jenkins, for the full discussion refer to Facebook.
- Help, my 17 year old daugher had a 34 week old premmie female. C.A.S. just seized the baby, even though the baby is not released from the hospital yet. My god, they haven't even given her a F~~~ing chance.
- this just happened between 3:30 and 5:30 pm est
- the hospital also said that if we show up to see the baby we will be arrested
- and it is the belleville hospital
- no one has told us any [reasons] .. my daughter does not do drugs, or drink.. the only thing she did during her pregnancy was smoke cigarettes
- i'm wondering if this has to do with her dad and a previous step-mom, were involved with the c.a.s years ago
- i am going to call the police for apprehension papers, i live in colborne, the c.a.s is cobourg, which police do i call, cobourg or belleville?
- yea, the c.a.s was in contact with the hospital social worker, we were told c.a.s worker was coming to hospital to see us. then worker phoned hospital, spoke to my daughter, said to come to cobourg.. while we were driving to cobourg they seized the baby
- baby is in belleville, c.a.s is cobourg
- cobourg opp did not want to help
- i forced it
- no current involvement, this is her first child
- i am trying.. is there anyone who could meet us at the cobourg c.a.s office for 9am monday morning
- i found out from the hospital that there is an apprehension letter on file
- but cobourg has it because we live in cobourg cas juisdiction.. and i have bipolar so i am having a hard time staying calm right now
- the c.a.s will not take my daughter and her breast milk to the hospital, even though mariann crowhurst, nurse at the hospital said c.a.s can, now this premature baby is being switched from breast milk to formula
- the parents even have a letter saying the baby needs the breastmilk, so now they are harming this baby
- that is correct, and the parents have a letter from the hospital saying the baby needs breast milk
- belleville police won't do crap
- is there anyone that can come to cobourg c.a.s 9am monday morning to help us please
- she did everything right except smoke cigarettes, if i didn't take her to an appointment the Tean Education and Mothering Program she is in at school took her
- and they only took her to one blood test in the same town
Source: Facebook, Canada Court Watch
Addendum: More postings from the same thread. Diane Jenkins has discovered that the father's parents, both in the Canadian military, instigated the CAS action because of their fears that the 17-year-old mother would be unable to handle the care requirements of a premature baby. Here is more from the same thread:
From Sunday, November 20:
- no problem with development the baby was for 6pounds 9ounces at 34 weeks
- parents have the birth certificate, sin card, everything, mother and father's name on birth certificate
- the mom and dad do live together, they have their own apartment 2 doors away from us, the dad's parents are both in military, mom and dad are thinking about moving back with us, and i already planned on using the mothering program against them
From Monday, November 21:
- they refused me taping and the mom is a risk cause she 17 and baby a preemie
- and they kicked me out of meeting
- we got to the bottom of it.. baby's dad, his parents signed up couple months back to be foster parents.. they asked the c.a.s for the baby cause she has had preemies and don't think the baby's parents can do it right. there's the start of it\
- nope, it's the father's parents, c.a.s spoke to my daughter today, baby will be living there and they advised her to move there to learn how to care for the baby, if she does not learn within their time frame (unknown), they put the baby in foster care.. so i know it's the father's parents who started it, not fully knowing what they have done cause they have never dealt with c.a.s before
- can't be with us because my partner and his ex-girlfriend were involved with them before, even though after i came into their lives, the file was closed.
- Miriam Mosaic, my partner and i have never trusted bio-dad's parents, they kicked bio-dad out at age of 16 just because he was fooling around and sprayed his mom with water hose
- jennifer joy, we have quite a few names of good lawyers, we are working on going through them and picking one
- i have advised my daughter to do what she has to in order to be with her baby, and that we will fight
- they are part of the system, they are both in the military
- actually yes, the female works in the kitchen, and the male used to be active duty but now travels on the planes that carry important people, e.g. when new prince and princess came to toronto
- i'm wondering, would it do any good, or backfire, to call belleville c.a.s and tell them the baby is in their hospital and that cobourg is involved
- answer: No
- that's what i thought
- Miriam Mosaic, i did ask them why child at risk, he got quite rude, said are you not listening to the conversation, proceeded to explain age and premature, then i got kicked out of the office for questioning, they said it was not helping my daughter's case, so i said you do not have to kick me out, i will leave willingly
Source: Facebook, Canada Court Watch
Addendum: As the baby reached age five days, mother Trinity came online in another thread. The baby will spend at least her first two weeks with the paternal grandparents. The mother is limited to two hours a day.
This is not the first time fixcas has encountered this situation. Placing the baby of a teen mom with grandma often makes a lot of sense. It has happened many times even without CAS intervention. But why the restrictions on mom? She could be learning baby care from grandma, but learns little while CAS engenders unnecessary family animosity.